Wikipedia:Кандидаць

Де ла Википедия ын лимба молдовеняскэ

Паӂина кандидацилор Википедия есте о паӂинэ ын каре путець номинализа пентру диверсе типурь де статут: администратор, бирократ ши checkuser.

Кондиций: утилизаторул требуе сэ фие:

  • Куноскэтор ал лимбий молдовенешть.
  • Колаборатор актив ал википедией молдовенешть.

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[edit] Епуре - Бирократ

Паӂина де утилизаторПаӂина де дискуцийКонтрибуцийАктивитате

Ворбитор натив ал лимбий молдовенешть.

Note: The candidature of User:Епуре is reholded due to a lack of criteria for voting. Every member of mo.wikipedia can vote on condition that the user meets the criteria for voting explained below. The voting starts on the 18th of November 2006 and will last two weeks (ends 2 of December). After these two weeks a steward will decide whether the requested status is granted or whether it is not. Only clean users can be elected (users with a dubious edit history and logs/block logs history can't be elected). Every user must show contributions in Moldovan language in order to vote.

Ку скопул де а фи елиӂибил пентру вотаре, кандидаць ши утилизаторь вотынде требуе сэ фие утилизаторь ынреӂистрате ши активе аичь ку уней зиле ын урмэ; вотурь ши кандидатуре де утилизаторь ку май пуцин де 50 де (бинь) контрибуций пе неймспейсиилор принчипале ну вор фи нумэрат. Note: Except the sysops here nobody should strike any vote or comment.

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  1. ам ынкредеря ын ачестуй утилизаторул Node ue 23:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
    ам ынкредере ын ачест утилизатор ;-) Bogdan 21:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    еу сынт фоарте феричит кэ ле-ай :-) --Node ue 23:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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...Am mai votat odată contra dar Pill şi Node UE mi-au anulat votul. Abţineţi-vă de la a anula voturile care nu vă convin şi nu stabiliţi reguli noi de capul vostru.--Mapiyc 09:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC) Sorry, you do not have 50 edits. You can add a comment if you want to say something to the candidature. Pill 09:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
As long as the candidate himself has (today) only 20 edits in mainspace, and he want to become a birocrat, I don't understand why a simple voter is required to have 50 edits in mainspace. Who established this rule and when? Was this rule discussed with the community? Actually, only Smirnov will qualify as an active editor, however the quality of his edits need improvements.--Mapiyc 23:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but unlike him, you have less than 50 edits total. And also unlike him, some of your edits were in bad faith aka VANDALISM. AND, you registered only a few days ago with the sole intention of participating in this vote! "cu unei zile în urma" is a bit vague, but surely means to refer to established users and NOT people with under 20 total edits, or people whose sole intention at this Wiki is to vote or to influence the vote. --Node ue 04:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
There is an explanation below, btw. @Mapiyc: If I strike your vote, there are reasons. If you don't understand, ask, but do not remove the <s> tags on your own. Pill 05:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Mapiyc, you do not have enough edits in the main namespaces. --Pill 18:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  1. Contra Vania tractoristu 14:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    Те рог сэ аргументець дынселе. --Node ue 23:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    Should write “Те рог сэ аргументезь ей". :-) --Епуре 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
    În primul rând ea deja a plecat, şi în al doila ea a spus că cunoaşte limba română doar până la al doilea nivel.
    1) Ну ам плекат; 2) ну ле-ам спус. Мулцумеск. --Епуре 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
    Cum, pe pagina ta scrie "ro-2 Acest utilizator poate contribui cu un nivel intermediar de română". Vania tractoristu 22:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
    Epure, he is right, it says it right on your userpage :-). I'm not sure how it's relevant, though -- this is the Moldovan Wikipedia, not the Romanian WP, and he indicates with babel templates that he speaks Moldovan natively. Shall I oppose your adminship on en.wp because you don't speak fluent Japanese?? Even if you assert that they are the same language, it is clear that he divides the two on the basis of alphabet used, and is thus, I'm guessing, indicating a lower level of reading fluency in Latin. --Node ue 04:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    You are correct part. Moldavian is my "mother tongue", but not total. Parents does not speak it to me, even it is langage of my grandparents, but I learn at school.. My page say I speak it, not I am native. Also why we write English here? --Епуре 19:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  2. Strongly against. Reasons: no significant contribution, no proof that he speaks the language, unjustified partial or total blanking of four articles. AdiJapan 03:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
    Which articles I blanked?? --Епуре 20:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
    Partial deletion here, blanking here, here, here, here, transformed an article into a redirect here. — AdiJapan  13:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    It seems you're distorting things here... every single page he replaced had Latin text on it :-) --Node ue 22:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  3. Contra Utilizatorul Iepure nu vorbeşte chiar deloc limba moldovenească. Mai mult el face foarte multe greşeli gramaticale, este de râsul lumii, de aceea cred că el este un impostor. Faptul că el nu vorbeşte limba mă face să votez împotriva lui. Nu cred că un utilizator care nu vorbeşte limba poate fi un contribuitor activ al acestei wikipedii, doar se văd contribuţiile lui din ultimul timp. Avem nevoie de un vorbitor nativ, ca şi mine. De aceea vă rog să mă votaţi pe mine şi nu pe Epure.--Смирнов 21:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    According to Vania, neither do you :-) --Node ue 22:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  4. Contra iasti un beiat ci nu borghieshti crasivyi Igor 09:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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  • Ничь кандидатул ынcушь ну aрe 50 де контрибуций лa apтиколe. Ce пoaтe нуми „колаборатор актив”?... (The candidate himself doesn't have 50 edits in the main namespace. Can we call him an „active contributor”?...) --AdiJapan 02:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I made a mistake here, sorry. It should be main namespaces, it only means that talk pages don't count (and user pages not, of course, they never count.). Please correct that in the translated instruction section above, thanks in advance. Pill 14:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Which namespaces besides the article space count, then? I corrected it, though. Are you including MediaWiki namespace, then? --Node ue 04:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Every namespace, except all talk pages (Help talk, Witionary talk, User talk etc.) and except user pages. Pill 05:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Епуре's contributions

Pill, I looked at the contributions this candidate made in all the main namespaces, and I'd like to let you know my findings. After that you can judge for yourself if he is fit for the beaurocrat status. I took all his edits one by one and here is a summary:

  • Wikipedia namespace:
    • about 30 edits, all in the candidates page.
  • Image namespace:
    • a flag and the Wikipedia logo
  • MediaWiki namespace:
    • about 40 transliterations into Cyrillic
  • Template namespace:
    • 5 edits (Babel boxes, stub, cleaning)
  • Help namespace:
    • none
  • Category namespace:
    • none

As anyone can see, it is obvious that Epure's contribution (a single actual contribution, actually copied from ro.wp) is all he has to offer to prove that he is a reliable editor to whom we entrust the future of this Wikipedia... For God's sake, we can't even tell if he actually speaks the Moldovan language, everything he wrote is transliterated from elsewhere! I also checked all the user talk pages he edited, and he never wrote a single full sentence in Moldovan, with the exception of a warning written in broken Romanian. Isn't this alarming? If he is what he claims to be, and if he really wants this Wikipedia to live and prosper, I want to see some valuable contribution written by him. Other Wikipedias require hundreds or thousands of edits before being given the sysop status, and we allow Epure to become bureaucrat with 0 edits?! I think it's time we got real. --AdiJapan 09:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's time you stopped distorting things. First of all, you ignored his shining contribution of an entirely new content of an entire paragraph. I was stunned when it appeared, I even searched the Internet to see if it was a copyvio from some source in the Latin alphabet. It is not. I have been accused of having him as my sockpuppet, but Bogdan testified on Wikipedia-l that his Moldovan skillz are l33ter than mine. Also, I checked his MediaWiki translations one by one, they are not all exact translations of the Romanian messages (although according to Bogdan some are incorrect). It appears that he translated them independently (!), either unaware of ro.wp's existing Latin-alphabet translations or unwilling to make use of them. --Node ue 22:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
(1) The candidate is not my candidate. He requested bureaucratship himself, I reholded the vote, reasons are explained above and on other places. (2) Because he is not "my candidate" I cannot decide whether his contributions are great, but I can say that he made the contributions and it was no vandalism, no trolling. If you are allowed to vote (according to the regulations), you can vote agains him if you think the edits are not useful and so want to vote agains him. The candidature itself is ok. Pill 13:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
To Node: "Shining contribution"? "An entire paragraph"? Jesus! And _I_ am distorting things! Boy, you get stunned too easily, because Epure's shining contribution with an entire paragraph is nothing, I repeat, nothing, to provide a basis for being elected as a bureaucrat. And the fact that his language skills are better than yours is totally meaningless. My English skills are awful, your Moldovan skills are absent. You can't even write "My name is Mark" in a correct Moldovan. Go check your user page.
To Pill: Actually the candidate did vandalize. He deleted the whole text in Ромыния and România; in the latter he replaced the full article with a sentence that has nothing to do with the subject -- and it's still there. And you shouldn't just look at the number of his edits, but also take into account what people say about those edits. I can read and write Cyrillic Moldovan and I'm telling you that his edits have no value. AdiJapan 00:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

After checking Epure's edits in the MediaWiki namespace my best guess is that he doesn't speak Moldovan, but has just enough knowledge to get the transliterations almost right. Out of 37 MediaWiki messages he managed to get wrong 7:

I think this is clearly too much for a native speaker. Or if he is a native speaker indeed, then he must be still in elementary school.

I still haven't seen anything written by this user in proper Moldovan. His edits in talk pages (like this or this) contain mistakes that a native speaker wouldn't make. When I left him this message he didn't reply, obviously because he was afraid that his bad Moldovan would show up. This is our man. — AdiJapan  06:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

  1. 1) As he noted above, he's not a "native speaker" (although I had thought he was); 2) He addressed some of those mistakes via e-mail (in response to a similar thing by Bogdan): Watchlist and Randompage were typos, and Toolbox was establishing a paralell pattern with the other two boxes. Regarding "floating" -- if you'll recall, that was actually my translation. He just removed the Latin. --Node ue 22:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    Oh, and your response on his talkpage is full of orthographical errors :-) --Node ue 22:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Well obviously he does not speak the language well enough to notice those mistakes and correct them -- he probably was too busy removing the Latin script parts. Those mistakes are still visible on every single page of this Wikipedia, and they repel any visitor who might have considered contributing: "aртиколе пэзить", "каутаре", "плутире", etc. About the orthographical mistakes in my post: Will you be so kind and point them to me? I might even learn something from this... — AdiJapan  01:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
No -- he can't correct them because his privelages were revoked. :-P --Node ue 03:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question for Pill

I already aseâked this question but I didn't received an answer, so I ask it again: As long as the candidate himself has only 20 edits in mainspace, and he want to become a birocrat, why a simple voter is required to have 50 edits in mainspace. Who established this rule and when? Was this rule discussed with the community? --Mapiyc 15:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

That was never agreed by community. And why do we speak English when we're supposed to speak in Romanian? For two persons: Pill and Node (with socks..)should we speak in English? en:User:Dahn The user is not identical with en:User:Dahn, see the response of my email on my Mata talk page. Pill 20:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Correct, I established this rule because the Wiki was apparently not able to make fair votes without any restrictions (see above) and because it is useless to argue with vandalizing and trolling users about a change of the election procedure. Pill 16:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Mapiyc: The thing with main namespace and main namespaces is explained in the section above. Pill 16:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Pill, so community does not agree with you. What do you do with this situation? It's beyond any reasonable and acceptable solution to accept someone who doesn't even know the language and translates with "translators". en:User:Dahn The user is not identical with en:User:Dahn, see the response of my email on my Mata talk page. Pill 20:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Dahn, GET REAL!!! None of you guys may agree with Pill, but YOU ARE NOT THE COMMUNITY. You have done nothing but hurt this Wiki. --Node ue 22:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I have temporary sysop status here until this Wiki has got an _active_ sysop who is able to participate in this language. By the time one user gets enough approverating here, these rules can be removed or can be changed as the community wishes. But it is important to have someone here who looks for vandalism - also on this vote page. Not everyone should be allowed to vote, for the simple reason that someone who does not know the candidate can't decide whether he is acceptable or whether he isn't. And if someone doesn't participate and does not know him - should his opinion be attached as much importance to as to the opinion/the vote of an active member? You know, I could create twenty accounts here and vote: Using several ISPs and OPs, nobody could prove that it's the same person and so nobody could do anything against that. And that's what has happened here. It is simply not possbile that the community decides something here when many users without contributions and without experience always want to vote. And if a user strikes the votes of users who have logged in just a couple of minutes before adding their vote, there are users as you who say that they were not allowed to because there was no approverating for that step by the community. Actually, if here was a regulary active sysop who could look after things like that, who could block users doing inappropriate things and who could avoid newbies to vote at once, that would be no problem. Bogdan, the sysop here, is active not very often, if he was, he could look for this page e.g. so I do have temporary sysop rights here and look for that vote and the going-ons. Please understand that I don't want to explain that here again and again and again so don't expect me to do so. Thanks for understanding, --Pill 18:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

On Romanian Noticeboard it says:

::User:Node_ue and User:Khoikhoi are manipulating a german admin: de:Benutzer Diskussion:Pill#Moldovan Wikipedia. Nice way to do it: a Russian and an American are pushing a German into taking the sysop status of User:Bogdangiusca, who supposedly doesn't know "Moldovan".

Don't you think that your re-re-reholding of elections are POV? Do they manipulate you? Since User:Epure lost first elections and he doesn't speak the language. en:User:Dahn The user is not identical with en:User:Dahn, see the response of my email on my Mata talk page. Pill 20:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

How can you be sure Epure it's not a sock of Node? Epure and Node are the only users that want to become sysops but they can't speak the language. Can you give us some more information? en:User:Dahn The user is not identical with en:User:Dahn, see the response of my email on my Mata talk page. Pill 21:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, according to Bogdan, Epure can speak the language, or at least he knows it better than I do. That's how you can be sure he's not my sock. Here is his testimony. --Node ue 22:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I cannot be sure, but you can't, too. Pill 18:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Epure's vandalism

This is an example of vandalism done by Epure. As Pill told, "is important to have someone here who looks for vandalism", but Epure himself vandalized this Wikipedia.--Mapiyc 23:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that is not vandalism. :-) --Node ue 00:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Epure speaking Moldovan?

Node, you are talking about some "testimony" of Bogdan confirming that "Epure speaks Moldovan". Now, let's see what Bogdan said in the link you provided:
User:Epure, who apparently is a Russian native speaker, but speaks better the language than Mark, did some corrections, but now the main problem is the bad grammar.
To me, this does not mean Epure is speaking Moldovan. Does it to you, folks? Dpotop 12:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ну ынцелег де че ну ворбешть ын лимба молдовеняскэ. Ай дификултэць? Лумя креде кэ ешть ун импостор пентру кэ ту ле дай фоарте мулте оказий. Ту ничь ну ворбешть лимба молдовеняскэ. Те рог фрумос сэ-мь рэспунзь пе паӂина мя.--Смирнов 19:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ну, дрэгуцэ :):). Ынсэ скрисул ын кирилицэ ну-л читеште ниминя. Dpotop 08:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello and goodbye

The person who used my name in the above posts is not user:Dahn, but, most likely, a banned user named Bonaparte. For the record, I will never be contributing to Moldovan wiki in any shape or form. I'll mention and link all my future comments on meta, if I ever make any other comments, on my en:wiki user page. It is no secret that I consider Moldovan wiki an absurdity, but, on the whole, I don't care as much as to spam pages such as this one. You may also note that I use a better class of English than 212.138.64.179. 82.76.86.64 20:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC) ([en:user:Dahn] - for real, boogie down)

[edit] Смирнов - Бирократ

Паӂина де утилизаторПаӂина де дискуцийКонтрибуцийАктивитате

Ам фост ун контрибуитор актив ал проектелор викимедия. Ну вэ вой да идентитатя мя антериоарэ деоарече нумеле антериор а фост нумеле меу реал ши ну дореск сэ-мь дау нумеле реал аичь пе интернет. Еу сынт дин Кишинэу, ун ворбитор флуент ал лимбий молдовенешть ши ал лимбий русе. Пот деасеменя ворби ши пуцин украинянэ, турчеште/гэгэузэ ши енглезэ. Ну ам фост презент ла проектеле викимедия атунчь кынт википедия молдовеняскэ а фост креатэ (дечь ам едитат май мулт версиуниле дин лимба русэ ши лимба ромынэ), ши кред кэ есте о идее ӂениалэ!--Смирнов 11:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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  1. Pentru i un baieat bun aista Igor 09:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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  1. Când va învăţa limba, cazul său va fi mai solid. Vania tractoristu 23:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  2. Strongly against. Reason: The candidate doesn't speak Moldovan. I checked his edits one by one and found that all his contributions are lousy transliterations from ro.wp, word for word, littered with misspellings. He didn't even notice that one of the Romanian articles had been written without diacritics, so his transliteration contains lots of wrong letters: see article Москова. He even wrote în Cyrillic those English words that happened to be there, see Компутер. — AdiJapan  13:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  3. Ну ворбешть пе лимбий молдовенешть ;) . --Епуре 20:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Mă bucur că cel puţin tu vorbeşti pe limbii moldoveneşti? Vania tractoristu 22:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Уэй еу с-ам спус астфел пентру кэ цине о римэ злабнэ! --Епуре 23:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Îmi cer iertare, însă nu am nici cea mai mică idee ce înseamnă aceasta. Vania tractoristu 00:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  1. Против. Khoikhoi 21:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

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  1. Дар еу кред кэ ачест утилизатор вэ фи о администратор бун пентру кэ есте ворбитор натив ал лимбий молдовенешть, кред кэ утилизаторул требуе сэ ынвеце маи мулт кум скрие корект ын алфабетул кирилик молдовенеск. --Node ue 23:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Lol, doi clovni care nici nu cunosc limba încearcă să afecteze soarta acestui proiect. Chiar Smirnov vă fi o administrator bun când unicul mod în care el poate scrie cuvântul guvern e printr-o traducere bizară prin intermediul unui dicţionar virtual care produce guvernământ? Vania tractoristu 23:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
No personal attacks, please. (="doi clovni") --Node ue 23:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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